larry, it doesn't make any sense to make it harder for law-abiding people to get guns. it's the criminal doing the crime. >> it certainly does. >> they are not military grade. it's such a canard. these are not military grade weapons. they look scary to liberals. >> look -- >> hang on one second. look, i don't know what the answer is. i'm just saying i'm speculating here and i may be dead wrong. there are loopholes. here in new york state if you have a pistol grip you can't by the automatic but if you don't have the pistol grip you can. i'm not sure in what the details of this is. i just want to inject that. i'm not taking a position but i'm saying -- >> it's all cosmetic. >> we got to figure out something. >> look, we have to be concerned about newtown and columbine and concerned about what happened at the theater in colorado and what's happening in chicago. and the reality is that this will go a lot further than the gun lobby has let us go in a very long time. >> larry, with all due respect, you know what's happening in chicago? children are being killed in chicago by